And why do you use logical fallacies whenever you attempt to do so?
@9CJ6CB64mos4MO
Well for starters, Hitler still cited the left as his enemy, held no tenets of socialism, despised minorities, sought to bring a “glorious past” back to existence (it never existed on the first place), and got along extremely well with some of the most far right dictators on earth. I’m tired of having to explain the clear-as-day obviousness that Hitler was NOT a leftist
@Patriot-#1776Constitution4mos4MO
Nor was he a rightist, as he did not agree with economic liberty in any way, shape or form. He was a centrist dictator of sorts, but definitely more left than right.
@VulcanMan6 4mos4MO
How are you defining "left" vs "right"..? And is your argument solely using an economic scale? If someone was an economic centrist, but was socially and politically far-right, would you still consider them "moderate but not right-wing"? What exactly are you basing your "right-wing" vs "left-wing" positioning on?
Additionally, what do you consider "economic liberty"? Because I would argue that right-wing economics are NOT in favor of economic liberty, since capitalism (a fundamentally right-wing economic system) has an inherent and… Read more
@Patriot-#1776Constitution4mos4MO
Right-wing people support economic liberty but are in general more willing to see the government spy on its civilians via unconstitutional surveillance, and some rightists subscribe to an interventionist foreign police. Left-wing people support economic tyranny with a massive regulatory bureaucracy but are in general less willing to see the government spy on its civilians, and originally many supported a policy of peace and non-intervention, though sadly this has wavered away in recent years, especially under the current warmongering occupant of the White House, who has sent billions to Ukrai… Read more
@VulcanMan6 4mos4MO
Right-wing people support economic liberty...
Again, I already explained to you that I believe "the right" is fundamentally ANTI-economic liberty, so obviously this buzzword claim is not inherent or objective on its own.
By economic liberty, I mean a laissez-faire (from French Laissez Nous Faire, or Leave Us Alone) system wherein individuals are free to make economic transactions and trade with one another without any regulation, or any form of plunder, legal (taxation) or illegal (theft), with a system of written property deeds and land titles, a Gold-backed, uninflatible currency,… Read more
@9CJ6CB64mos4MO
Economic liberty does NOT equal right. You are putting economic liberty and the right as a synonymous thing, yet neglect the fact that things such as market socialism and far-right fascism most definitely exist. The definition you use doesn’t stick with most any definition of “right”.
@9L3YQK62mos2MO
How about we define "left" and "right" before continuing?
@VulcanMan6 4mos4MO
If my beliefs are so utterly baseless and absurd and reactionary, why is it so difficult for you to disprove them?
It's not. It's actually incredibly easy to disprove many of your claims. Your refusal to accept contradictory evidence is not anyone else's problem. Heck, remember months ago when you and I had a long discussion about evolution vs creationism (along with the reality of anthropogenic climate change), and your claims were so wildly incorrect and absurd that even this site's bot accounts from the Republican Party and other right-wing groups had stepped in to point… Read more
@Patriot-#1776Constitution4mos4MO
I wasn't talking to you
@VulcanMan6 4mos4MO
You don't need to be, this is an open online forum. Not to mention the fact that this is in my own thread. But hey, if you don't have a response then you can just say so...
@Patriot-#1776Constitution4mos4MO
I never said an argument couldn't be logically sound and false at the same time, so here YOU are using the Strawman Fallacy by putting words in my mouth I never said and debunking a position I never took. You keep also using the Question Begging Fallacy by claiming that my arguments were "wildly incorrect and absurd" when in reality this has not been proven or even established, assuming I'm wrong in order to argue that I'm wrong.
PS: You actually believe there's some right wing conspiracy on this webpage to water down leftism through "bots"? If anything, the reverse is true – look at the daily discussions, almost everyone's a leftist.
@VulcanMan6 4mos4MO
I never said an argument couldn't be logically sound and false at the same time, so here YOU are using the Strawman Fallacy by putting words in my mouth I never said...
I never said you said that, I said you SEEM to act like that is the case, based on the assumptions you make and the obsession with "logic" that you always portray. In fact, my actual statement was a question: "you understand that you can argue a position "logically", in which the argument is completely logically sound, but still be blatantly incorrect...right?". You could have simply answered… Read more